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Post by genichirou on Sept 14, 2007 18:16:49 GMT 7
eh maybe. people have this stereotype that mangas and shows always end in the same cliched manner- happily ever after and somehow the main character is always undefeated
okay back to the pop. dont think yukimura has opened it yet- i have nothing to prove this with but i really dont think that he can be that much better than tezuka. okay i mentioned this earlier (i forgot which topic it was)- that the first time echizen used the muga no kyouchi (in the manga, in his unofficial match with kirihara) he sort of forgot some things. he forgot who won as well as the score, and forgot everything after he won up to the point when he waked up at genichirou's house or seomthing.
so maybe this is linked to his current amnesia and thus the unlocking of the PoP?
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 14, 2007 19:02:32 GMT 7
That's a good way to end a series. Ryoma should get his big head from the clouds.
And its crazily impossible to not loose any matches. Fuji lost an official match, Tezuka lost one against Atobe. Its all these great people who lost and rebounded right? You can't win straight through. It just means that you will soon drop to the lowest, without all the losing experience and all.
Losing against his dad DOES NOT count, okay.
Maybe there were different versions of PoP, like Yukimura and being neurologically...diseased and Nanjiroh being...extremely ecchi or something. Perphaps the side effect of Yukimura's version was so bad, his version might be the best too.
Ryoma can't win!!!! Even striping him of all his Ponta won't work. If he needs to do some real winning, he needs some real losing.
(okay, so admin posted before me. Now to talk on her points...)
Ryoma? Opening PoP? Is that why he is so randomly lost in a forest right now, because he forgot his way back home?
I think the amnesia that Muga no Kyochi is stating should just be of over-exhaustion. Did you see Tezuka sleeping after a match, as in directly after? Sanada after his display of Muga no Kyochi? Amnesia should be extreme cases when the athletes use up all their energy and so for.
About the Kirihara Ryoma match, maybe its his first time opening, so he's drowsy and everything.
But then again there is this possibility of Ryoma unlocking PoP with Kintarou and thus loosing his way in the forest.
Why was he there is the first place?
Hilarious.
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Post by whisper on Sept 14, 2007 19:21:24 GMT 7
Going back to your other post. Tezuka definitely is "!!!!!" but did he not lose against Genichirou as well? That's with Tezuka being fully healed and being able to open up two doors of the Muga no Kyochi. So it's something like Yukimura > Genichirou > Tezuka because didnt Yukimura say that he was the only one able to defeat Sanda's FuuRinKaInZanRai ( and Kaidoh as Yukimura said himself that Kaidoh is invincible ^.^ .... okay I have to stop with the Kaidoh being invincible thing xD)? Ryoma lost to an unhealed Tezuka in the past. There's just no way Ryoma could win!! And yes, you must lose in order to advance. You just don't learn as much if you keep on winning. Anyway yeah I proposed the idea of amnesia having to do something with the PoP as well because when Echizen and Kirihara both experienced it for the first time, they had no memory of what happened before they stepped into the state. We don't know if that's the case for Yukimura, Sanda, Chitose, or Tezuka because they achieved Muga no Kyochi before the series even started but evidence point towards the amnesia having something to do with the PoP. Also I'm with that idea of the PoP having different effects on the players. Maybe Yukimura's problem was that he walked through each door at a rapid rate that his brain wasn't able to handle it causing his disease. Like the Pinnacle of Wisdom makes your brain work really fast or some bs like that, the PoP could bring up the level of which the brain works causing neurological the problems? Hell I don't know, it's 5 am over here and I have to stay up >
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 14, 2007 19:33:35 GMT 7
Maybe if Tezuka is fully healed, he should be in par with Yukimura. Would PoP be equal to the other two doors?
It seems like the only flaws Ryoma has is that he is too short and he has a temper. Which basically has nothing to do with tennis. And him opening Muga no Kyochi. Is there four doors to Muga no Kyochi? Why is it that Ryoma did not open an actual door, but something lame like Kabaji technique?
Does it seem like their opening of the supposedly fourth door shows that the PoP or any of the other doors are in the near future? They also didn't mention exactly which door Sanada had opened, unlike Tezuka and Chitose whose were noted.
Would Sanada and Ryoma both get the PoP? Or does the fourth door signals that you have just FAILED and would never reach the rest of the door and the fourth door is just a consolation or something along the lines of that?
Plain copying is crap. The players should copyright their moves, and sue Ryoma when he uses them xD
But if Yukimura > Sanada > Tezuka, but Tezuka should technically win Atobe, and after Atobe's Koori no Sekai Atobe had surpassed Sanada, won't it be like Yukimura > Tezuka > Atobe > Sanada?
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Post by whisper on Sept 14, 2007 19:47:18 GMT 7
Eh? Isnt it that the Muga no Kyochi is the beginning, like its the hallway towards the three doors?
From my understanding Muga no Kyochi your body reacts unconsciously off the memories of what you've already experienced and reacts accordingly using others moves. And since it's not neurological (doesnt involve brain work) it causes the user to use a lot of stamina. "You draw out abilities hidden within you and instantaneously release them. " - Ryoma after comparing Muga and Tachibana's wild aura.
Afterwards there are three doors. The first being the Pinnacle of Hard Work where the user collects the explosive power of Muga into their arm and is able to return each ball with twice the amount of everything it has thrown at you.
Then there's the 2nd door. The Pinnacle of Great Wisdom where your brain works at such a rapid rate that you could "predict" the outcome of the match through the various simulations ran through your brain.
Then there's the last the Pinnacle of Perfection.
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Atobe indeed had his ice world where it defeated Sanada's mountain technique Sanada still had his other techniques along with the two techniques he sealed off for the sole purpose of defeating Tezuka. Atobe's Koori is like an advanced version of his being able to observe his opponent (that thing where he puts his hand on his face). I believe that if Sanada were to use his "Formless like the shadows" against it, it would've nullified Atobe's ice world as he would not be able to read it since its formless, because it was even able to defeat the Pinnacle of Great Wisdom.
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Post by genichirou on Sept 14, 2007 20:29:50 GMT 7
eh this thread contains some really long posts xD the pinnacle of perfection should be more powerful, thus more hard to unlock, than the other two doors. i shall read up on the disease yukimura had and post it here.
EDIT: some stuff off wiki "Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) is an acute, autoimmune, polyradiculoneuropathy affecting the peripheral nervous system, usually triggered by an acute infectious process. It is included in the wider group of peripheral neuropathies. There are several types of GBS, but unless otherwise stated, GBS refers to the most common form, acute inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (AIDP). It is frequently severe and usually exhibits as an ascending paralysis noted by weakness in the legs that spreads to the upper limbs and the face along with complete loss of deep tendon reflexes. With prompt treatment of plasmapheresis followed by immunoglobulins and supportive care, the majority of patients will regain full functional capacity. However, death may occur if severe pulmonary complications and dysautonomia are present."
okay so may i suggest that yukimura hasnt unlocked PoP yet and GBS has nothing to do with it?
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 14, 2007 20:41:59 GMT 7
Does it mean all of them went through the hallway before? Even Tezuka?
Oh and can you elaborate more on the formless like shadow, since I have never actually read that part (too lazy XD)
Why isn't anybody counting in Atobe's Tannaheuser Serve? Is it not a superb serve that can also lead Atobe one step closer to the new Sanada? Shouldn't Atobe be inventing new moves, while Sanada is inventing his own?
So there in actual fact is a supposedly hallway: the beginning of the actual three doors, but didn't they call it the three doors to Muga no Kyochi? And since whenever Ryoma activates the whatever its called, they say 'MUGA NO KYOCHI!'. Doesn't that mean that he has already entered all doors and entered the ultimate state, aka Muga no Kyochi?
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Post by tezuka on Sept 15, 2007 0:16:20 GMT 7
In (Shadow) hides the users weakness and gives off multiple behavioral patterns ryoma only activated Muga no Kyouchi he has not opened the other doors
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Post by shiraishi on Sept 15, 2007 3:51:15 GMT 7
It would be cool though if both ryoma and yukimura open all the doors in one match. I know that it seems weird since it took tezuka sometime to open two doors but this is the super man Ryoma and Number 1 tennis player Yukimura we're talking about. I believe anything can happen in the match.
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 15, 2007 8:04:05 GMT 7
So technically, Nanjiroh has never gotten the GBS?
And I think it'll actually be fantasy if both of them open the doors in one match. But I'm wagering that Yukimura had opened one of the three doors (which can mean PoW, PoHW or PoP) and Ryoma is in the hallway. The person in the door is obviously better than the ones in the hallway, so won't Yukimura defeat him?
But the probability of Ryoma winning is still considerably higher than Yukimura's, if you add in all the biasness Konomi has for Ryoma. And if Ryoma wins, he will HAVE to open the last door (Because Ryoma and the words hardworking and wisdom just do not come together. Perfection, maybe, but not the other two) Or is that mangaka waiting for Ryoma to have a fall of his life?
I'll give it a 50-50, cause that's the safest :P
(To Tezuka: Is there a specific door which Sanada entered? Or none?)
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Post by shiraishi on Sept 15, 2007 8:13:26 GMT 7
well I don't know about sanada and all, but what you said with ryoma losing despite opening PoP it would be a rather good ending.
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Post by tezuka on Sept 15, 2007 8:19:20 GMT 7
Sanada has not entered a door
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 15, 2007 8:26:22 GMT 7
But PoP, Pinnacle of Perfection... Has Nanjiroh EVER lost before? After opening PoP, in that sense?
*start whine* WHY ISN'T ATOBE IN MUGA NO KYOCHI. Hey wait a minute.. NO MUGA NO KYOCHI! THE DOORS! People in the hallway and cheapos *ends whine*
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Post by genichirou on Sept 15, 2007 13:24:46 GMT 7
dont think nanjiro has lost any matches after he unclocked PoP, and no, there wasnt anything mentioned about him having GBS.
but atobe is already so strong without opening any doors
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 15, 2007 13:26:53 GMT 7
Of course. He who is in ore-sama's presence are but pawns to his whim. ;D
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Post by xoxoryomaxoxo on Sept 18, 2007 13:22:35 GMT 7
but atobe is already so strong without opening any doors but ryomas stronger ;D
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 20, 2007 11:44:27 GMT 7
Please don't remind me there is an avid fangirl of Ryoma in this forum and is rebutting every bad thing we're saying about Ryoma.
Now, back to topic, ATOBE IS STRONG. If he opened any of the door (Perfection, of course. Ore-sama does not allow himself to go any lower than that xD), he would be much stronger than Ryoma. If Ryoma doesn't get all the love from the mangaka (not counting ALL THAT BLOODY BIASNESS), Atobe would rule.
Plus, Atobe is KING. Ryoma is just a puny prince that would ultimately get PWNED! ^^
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Post by Kurobane Harukaze on Sept 20, 2007 11:48:44 GMT 7
haha, there's an avid fangirl of Atobe here too, dont forget that. and a Nioh fangirl, and not to forget, a fangirl of the D2 pair in Rokkaku...Ms. Sleepy Head.
nuff said.
Pinnacle of Perfection...if only there was such a move in the Real World...though it would be a tweaker
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Post by Akutagawa Jiroh on Sept 20, 2007 11:54:31 GMT 7
I know! And Muga no Kyouchi! Pinnacle of Perfection would be a purrrrfect move for tennis players, they would be TENSAI
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 20, 2007 13:58:39 GMT 7
I am NOT an Atobe fangirl; I AM ATOBE. xD
but it'll be very disappointing if the whole PoP thing isn't explained at the end, though there is hardly enough space for Konomi even to squeeze in a proper match (Considering that Ryoma always takes a book or two for one match). Especially all the people who had thought their brains dry for these ways to break PoP. I wonder if Konomi reads English...
In other words, someone HAS to open the last door soon. But everyone is going OMFG NOT RYOMA AGAIN, I guess with so much protest (I'm assuming people in Japan hate Ryoma after watching and reading and watching again, just like MOST of us here.), he would tweak the ending, unless he has already got the whole thing planned and/or drawn out everything already but has not got around publishing it yet.
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Post by shiraishik on Sept 20, 2007 16:43:31 GMT 7
XD Yukimura should win his match!!! and in the process, open the PoP cause it'd be awesome ;D *reads Bane-san's post* oh! Niou fangirl? that's me!...but wait, i am Niou, like kyuuki is Atobe.....
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Post by genichirou on Sept 20, 2007 21:47:49 GMT 7
but so far it seems that ryoma will be the one unlocking it instead of yukimura
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 22, 2007 9:41:53 GMT 7
Found a loophole. (Chapter 332 to 341 has a lot of them)
Chitose researched the Muga no Kyochi through and through, right? And after his match with Tezuka, he apparently said that Tezuka was the one closest to unlocking the PoP. And he did so thorough research on it, he can't really be very wrong. But before that he was saying how Kintarou would be first, but that was because he didn't play against Tezuka yet.
Would Chitose proclaim Echizen to unlock PoP first if he ever played against him? But Tezuka had to use the PoW and PoHW to beat Chitose; would the Ryoma in the hallway beat Chitose?
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Post by Trang on Sept 23, 2007 8:42:51 GMT 7
I also don't know quite understand the last shot of that match.
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Post by kyuuki on Sept 23, 2007 8:46:50 GMT 7
Ryoma apparently unlocked PoP to return that shot. Which meant that Kintarou is pro and Ryoma is a wet-behind-the-ears kid.
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Post by kuro5neko5kun on Jun 7, 2008 3:12:42 GMT 7
I dunno 'bout you guys, but in the anime, They didn't actually see the pinnacle, they just saw the aftermath, so maybe it's extremely energy consuming and therefore cannot be kept up for a whole game, or even half a game. Maybe it's only supposed to be used for one shot or something? Unless the manga says otherwise?
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